Interview with Tracey Whittingham
Shiftless Shuffle Field Visit
Research Participant
Research Participant
Sunday April 20, 2014
17.00 - 17.20
Whitechapel Art Gallery Cafe, London
The list of questions I based the interview on are the same ones I will be asking all field research participants for this project. They are as follows:
List of Questions for Research Participants:
- Name
- Age
- Location
- Profession
- Are you trained in any style of dance? If so, what was the period of training, e.g. 12 years in jazz, one off workshop in salsa
- Do you regularly partake in any kind of dance activity in your daily life? e.g. Zumba classes, clubbing and so on
- How did you feel prior to taking part in this dance research event? What were your expectations?
- Did you feel comfortable dancing at the event? Why? Why not?
- How would you describe the way you danced at the event?
- Please feedback your thoughts about the following at the dance event you attended-
- The venue
- The music
- The other people at the event
- The clothing worn at the event
- The atmosphere
- The dancing that happened at the event
- The timing of the event (was it too early? Did it go on for too long?)
- The cost
- Would you attend this event again? Why ? Why not?
Audio recording of interview with Tracey
Transcript
LS:
Ok, let’s keep going. So yeah, in this instance, we didn't actually take part in any of the social dancing. In your case, why was that? Because I wasn't or you just didn't feel like it, or the atmosphere?
LS:
LS:
So what, you didn't feel included?
LS:
Why do you think? That’s a valid point? Do you think it was because they have children and if they do, where are their children because it’s the weekend? What have they done with their children?
Transcript
Note: As I am friends with Tracey, I skip the
first 4 questions which I already know the answers to, to save time. Tracey is a female in her early 40s. She works
in Marketing and is based in East London.
LS:
Ok, so I’m here with Tracey and I’m going to interview her
about the event we just went to called
Shiftless Shuffle. So Tracey, can you
tell me are you trained in any style of dance?
TW:
No.
LS:
And in your day to day life, do you take part in any dance
activity? It can be like Zumba class, going
out dancing…
TW:
Well I usually enjoy going out dancing and I used to enjoy
doing, like a step class which had quite
a lot of choreography in it so I used to quite enjoy that because even though
you’re doing step class, it was
actually quite dancey. You’d learn quite a few dance moves and it was quite fun.
LS:
So in the club, we were talking about how you started dancing quite
a lot when you were younger.
TW:
Yep.
LS:
So in that period, can you tell me a bit about where you
would go, what kind of clubs you would
go to? Why you went out as regularly as you did and maybe why you don’t go out as much anymore, dancing maybe?
TW:
Um, I think the kind of clubs I used to go to, they used to
be quite varied. So I had quite
a varied set of friends and like one of my main set
of friends were people who
would like hip -hop and RnB and acid house and jazz funk. So we used to go out quite a lot dancing. So for example, we’d probably go out
Wednesday night to one club
and then we’d, each night would be a different club night somewhere. And when
you’re 18, 19, 20, it’s like you haven’t
got any responsibilities. It’s quite easy to go out clubbing that often and also get up and go to college.
The simple reason I can’t go clubbing as much is that I‘m too tired. I
physically wouldn't be able to, rock in, get home at like 2 o’clock and the get dressed and go to work the next day after
having so little sleep.
LS:
So what age were you when you were at the peak of your
going out dancing period?
TW:
Literally probably 18 to 22-23. So while I was at university.
Or even up to my first job but I could
just about cope then because I was. So I’d come home have my little power nap.
I’d get home on a Friday
night. I’d get home about 5.30-6.00. Sleep
to about kind of 8.00. Get dressed and
go out. And we’d go to clubs that would start
about 11 and 12. So it’d be quite a big night
out. But I would've had my little power
nap to keep me going as I didn't used to drink much.
LS:
So let’s talk a bit about
Shiftless Shuffle where we've just been.
TW:
Yep.
LS:
Before taking part in this event,
what were your expectations of it?
TW:
I didn't know what to expect. I quite enjoyed the concept of it. Going to the dance class part was really quite fun, although
slightly nerve wracking as I have really terrible memory for choreography so I always forget half the moves. But I enjoyed it. I thought the teacher actually was
quite well paced. He didn't rush ahead
and he kinda just repeated the
steps so you really kinda like, could just kick it in and the class itself wasn't too intimidating so it didn't feel like, even though they may have really been super advanced, it didn't really feel like that way.
LS:
And why did you agree to go in the
first place?
TW:
More for the socialising experience
than anything else, but, it was just kind of a new experience.
LS:
Did you feel comfortable dancing
at the event?
TW:
I can’t say I did. Like after the class finished, it felt like,
I can’t say I did. Like after the class finished, it felt like,
LS:
Well, we didn't dance. We did the class
but we didn't actually do any social dance.
TW:
But it was more to observe. But I use to
quite like that going to clubs more to observe people
dancing. Kinda like, that was a part of the
night as such. The only thing missing was someone
chatting about some fit bloke [inaudible]
LS:
Ok, let’s keep going. So yeah, in this instance, we didn't actually take part in any of the social dancing. In your case, why was that? Because I wasn't or you just didn't feel like it, or the atmosphere?
TW:
I think it was a combination of
different things. A - that the atmosphere felt so much that it was more kind of male dominated and that
felt, actually not even the fact that it was male
dominated. I felt that the guys on the dance floor were quite professional,
well not professional but knew what they
were doing and it felt quite intimidating.
LS:
When you said, 'knew what they were
doing,' what did you mean by that?
TW:
They knew their dance steps and were
quite proficient in their execution.
LS:
And what would you call the dance
steps they were doing?
TW:
Quite, like, you know, they looked
quite good and they looked like they had been coming for a while. Not necessarily like, taking the actual classes
but obviously, they knew the dance,
they looked quite comfortable. They were kind of sharing their dance moves with
their friends. They were messing
about but to be quite honest, most of them looked like they were just doing their own thing.
LS:
Do you think they looked like they
were improvising or they already had a bunch of moves in their head
that they wanted an opportunity to do, to fit the music?
TW:
I think they did look like they were improvising.
They probably do have a couple of moves they
feel they have mastered as such and would kind of, break into whatever moves depending on the music. But it just
felt like it was more interesting to watch than dance. Because they seem quite good so it was quite nice to watch a bunch of
guys dance.
LS:
And so would you call it jazz funk
style of dancing? What would you call it if you had to give it a name?
TW:
Probably jazz funk. Some of the moves
crossed into many different forms, like hip hop or any urban dance form. But it was good to watch.
LS:
What did you think of the venue?
TW:
It wasn't the probably the nicest of
venues that I've ever been to but it was quite functional for what it was. I wouldn't say exactly say the venue put me off going there but it didn't actually
enhance my experience either.
LS:
What about the music they played?
TW:
The music was good but my tolerance to
jazz funk is probably maximum an hour, two hours and then I get a bit bored.
LS:
Why’s that?
TW:
Just because that form of music, I enjoy
it, but I wouldn't mind if it was mixing up with RnB, hip hop or some other kind of thing. Not just solely that. It does kind of wear on me after a while.
And what did you think about the other
people that attended the event?
LS:
TW:
Actually I thought that was quite
interesting because when we initially got there, it felt like it was a very varied age group but as the
night progressed, I think the people that came in seemed to get older. And it did feel like that these were people
that had been doing this, like when I said
I used to go clubbing twenty years ago.
LS:
They were there with you?
TW:
I said they were probably there with me
and whereas I kind of went off and did my own thing,
they stuck true to it and now they’re part of that scene and they’re like. I was
just like kind of flitting in and out whereas they were truly
committed. They loved the music. They loved
the dancing. That’s their thing.
LS:
We were saying at one point it was like
being in somebody’s lounge room as they all seemed to know each other.
TW:
Yeah, they did all seem to know each other.
They did feel comfortable it was kind of very relaxed
and informal. It was kind
of nice. Like the Cheers experience when you walk in and everyone knows your name. There’s something nice about that. And also that shared experience. That you can talk about something, like,
that night when blah, blah, oh yeah that
was really great.
LS:
And um, what did you think about
the clothing that people wore at the event because you talked about this a bit to me earlier?
TW:
I
thought it was quite interesting in terms of clothing. Probably about 20 years
ago, people seemed to be more
tribal in the sense there seemed to be a more set pattern of dress. Although saying that, as the night progressed,
it did semi turn into that. In the beginning there
was more individuals. There was more like, the look didn't feel like much of a uniform but as the night progressed
and the older people came in, it did feel become more of a uniform. Obviously they probably
were there in the 90s, in 1990 and they have got the dress sense from that period and they stuck
with it and it became more apparent.
LS:
So describe what you mean by uniform?
TW:
So like denim trousers rolled up.Probably brogues, some kind of brogue shoes, maybe brown. Maybe a check shirt, maybe just some kind of shirt and
then like a cap.
LS:
What about the women?
TW:
I don’t feel that is dress sense for women
as such because even then, women were probably doing
their own thing and I think women are fortunate enough that your tribe is so
you can do your own thing. I think
then when I was going to clubs like that, you’d probably be wearing trainers or as the night
progressed or the clubs changed that you went to, you did become more formal like there
would be no jeans, no trainers on the listing.
LS:
And what did you think about the
atmosphere there? You talked about that a little already, like you felt it was quite informal amongst
people that knew each other.
TW:
It was quite informal amongst people
who knew each other but I think it
was also quite intimidating
for people who didn't know each other.
LS:
Why’s that?
TW:
I felt like again, it was like you’d
ventured into someone’s living room and
going, ‘Oh Hi,I didn't mean
to interrupt your night.’
LS:
So what, you didn't feel included?
TW:
Oh I didn't think it was a case of
being included or excluded, it was just, I felt a little bit suspicious being there, but maybe that’s more
me than them.
LS:
And in terms of the dancing you
watched whilst you were there, what did you think of the dance?
TW:
Well again, most of the dancing was quite good but I did feel like it was bit
of a battle. The guys dancing off,
getting onto the dance floor saying that.
Maybe that whole hip hop battling
was bit apparent. Maybe not in a kind of real kind of…
LS:
Formalised way?
TW:
Yeah, not even formalised but you know in certain battles, like
certain hip hop battles there’s like, 'Yeah, I’m the best.' I didn't think it was like
that. The guys there were like not semi-serious
and just a bit laughey.
LS:
What did you think of the timing of the
event in that it was during the day?
TW:
I thought it was really interesting.
It was like – why is that? Is it because now they've got children.
LS:
Why do you think? That’s a valid point? Do you think it was because they have children and if they do, where are their children because it’s the weekend? What have they done with their children?
TW:
It’s probably easier to get a babysitter
during the day, the cost of one for a day.
LS:
What did you think of the cost of
the event? That it was £7 to go. Do you think it was worth it? That it was too much?
TW:
Um, you do get quite a lot for your money
because you get a dance class. If you were to talk about the dance class itself, I think your, like if you go to Zumba
class, any class like Fitness
First or whatever kind of gym, you’re talking about £7, between £7 - £10 so I think that’s quite comparative. I think that’s the also the thing about
clubbing. Partly the reason why I stopped going. It seemed to get more and
more expensive to go out. So once you
factor in your entry and drinks, cab home, your night is quite expensive. But I
suppose the good thing about this is you don’t
have to factor your cab home as you can get home as the trains are still running.
LS:
Just a thought came into my head when
we were talking about that. Like, when we were younger,
like you said the peak of your time going out dancing was 18-23. I don’t know
what kind of income you were on
back then, but I know that when I was going out dancing as a student, I had a lot less money than I do know. And
obviously the prices of clubs and stuff
are more expensive now but it seems to be more of factor now, than it was a
factor back then to stop people
going out dancing. Why do you think it’s more of a factor now?
TW:
I suppose when you’re younger you may
have less money but you have more disposable income
that you have and your priorities are so different. Like your priorities are
about having fun and socialising.
LS:
Yeah like you said you used to drink only
diet coke and dance the night away.
TW:
Precisely so my worries wouldn't be am I
going to be able to get up and go to work, it was more, oh shit, who is going to come with me to this event?
LS:
Ok so last question, would you
attend this event again? Why? Why not?
TW:
I would attend the event again. I’d probably
just go to the class, I quite enjoyed the class and it was quite a nice way to do exercise, I had a nice build-up
of sweat and I quite enjoyed it.
Why I wouldn't go again, I ‘d probably just go for the class and not for the club
part. Maybe I didn't give it a fair enough chance. Maybe if you went in a bigger
group and got more involved in it it’d
be more enjoyable but at the moment, I think that class, yes, club - not
so much.
LS:
Is it also because of the dancing that
happened on the dance floor as well, that you wouldn't feel comfortable joining in?
TW:
I dunno, it’s the whole thing in terms of
dancing, the music, but it was good. The music they played for the class was more mainstream and that’s probably
more palatable for me whereas the music they played afterwards.
It does feel like the DJ’s slightly selfish and it was more about ‘Oh
look, like at this really wicked record that I got from this dealer, blah, blah, blah, look at me, I got this
record,’ And I felt like it was less about me, more about him. So I think, not that I wouldn't go again,
but I would be happy to go to the class rather than the club.
LS:
Well thank you very much.








